Question by dunhate235: texas holdem full table micro stakes situation?
PlayerB Stack size: 135
PLAYER E 100 Left of the hijack
PLAYER G (You)120 CO
Game type: .50 / 1 NL
Your image: TAG
Opponent’s image: Player B has been ultra tight and Player E has been a borderline maniac
Your hand: QsQd
The setup: You’ve been at the table for about an hour with
Player B and they haven’t been playing many hands. They’ve shown down a few hands and each time they’ve been strong. Player E has only been at the table for a dozen orbits or so and has been very aggressive. Here player B makes it $ 4 and Player E promptly re-raises to $ 16. You are on the cutoff with Queens and everyone else has folded to you. What’s your play?
Johnathan i completely disagree… In a cash game its all about finding a good spot. In a tournament when you’re short stack or the blinds are getting too big then you might consider going allin.
For all you guys saying raise.. lets see UTG+1 just raised 4xbb in such horrible position . Let screams 1010-AA, AK. Then you get raised by some guy in like middle position who raises it to 16xbb. Okay hes loose, but is he a dumb fuck? There are what, like 5 people behind him to act? He has at least AQ,AK, 99-AA. Im pretty sure this is -ev. Well lets say you do raise. Then player b folds and player e raises allin. Now what? Are you going to fold with around 40% of stack in the pot (i suck at math, but thats my estimation)? If player b pushes at best you are in a race. Plz correct me if im incorrect with what the oppenents hand ranges are.
Well anyways i ruled out raising (which might be wrong). Lets say you call and player b calls. You flop an overpair now what? Player B pots it wtf to do?
No tank i dont mean AAx, KKx. I mean when the flop comes down 27J. And lets say the tight player pots it. Now what? He could ezily have AK and is c-betting, but he could also have JJ, QQ, KK.
i cant choose best answer.. i dont know who is right.
Best answer:
Answer by Lee H
Go all in. It’d be silly to fold this hand before the flop.
Now, if Player E raised, and player B re-raised, then I would CONSIDER laying it down. But too many people think AK or AQ are hands good enough to go all in with, so I would not automatically assume you are beat even in this situation.
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Player B must be somewhat strong since he does not play many hands-so give him credit for that.
The question about E is have you seen any of his hands. Since E has only been at the table for a short time there is the chance he has been getting strong hands from the start and he is using question to push others. Most likely he might have A-X so a call can mean danger, but at the same time going all in puts you at risk. I think a pot size re raise puts the pressure on E, but if B calls or raises watch put.
All in is the correct play. If this were a tournament, you might consider folding, but since it is a cash game, it’s an easy decision. You have a good hand and it rates to be the best hand preflop so you should try to get as much money into the pot as possible. You don’t want to raise to 40 or 50 though, because E might just flat call and then move in on the flop, which will put you in a dicey situation should an A or K hit. Calling isn’t a good option, since B may reraise and now you will have to fold (assuming he is as tight as you say he is). Folding QQ in a microlimit cash game is also a bad idea, especially preflop. So just get it in and if he has AA or KK, you got cold decked.
Do you think Player B is an observant player? If so, then Player B may be making a move on on Player E.
The action here is to put in a reasonable raise to 40 or so. If they are playing weak hands, then you want some action but both folding is acceptable to you. If you are re-raised then you need to consider your options at that point. You have only put 1/3 of your stack in the pot and would not mind putting in the rest if you are the favorite. You would be about a 7% favorite versus AK (ace, king).
this is tough…since player B hasn’t been playing any hands, it’s easy to see how queens could be beat, but still there are a number of hands that even an ultratight player would raise that you can beat…you can pretty much disregard the re-raise here, since his range is so wide that folding queens against that alone would be stupid
the best play in my opinion is to re-raise to $ 50…if the original raiser moves all-in then you can fold, since you know that he probably has aces or kings and you would not be getting the right price to call…if he folds and the second player moves all-in, then you call and hope he shows J-J
also, in response to jonathan’s point that re-raise to $ 50 wouldn’t be good because of player E flat-calling, to call our re-raise he would have to put in half his stack, and the way he plays even if he moves in after an ace or king flops it should be an easy call
edit: in response to your arguments, i will say that if you rule out raising as a possibility, i think you have to fold…you don’t want to just call and have one of them move in over the top, and then what will you do? what if player B just calls also? now you’ll have to see a flop three ways just praying that an ace or king doesn’t come off, and if it does, then what do you do? just calling puts you in absolute no man’s land, you have to either raise it or fold
also, when you think about it, you can only be trailing A-A or K-K…even though player B is very tight and opened the pot in early position, you would think his range is slightly wider than A-A or K-K here…J-J, 10-10, A-K, and A-Q are all reasonable possibilities, which means we can beat more hands than we trail…i just can’t find folding to be a reasonable option, and just calling is terrible in my opinion, leaving raising as the best play for my money
Depends on how strong the hands B has shown have been. Have the pairs he’s shown been 8s? Js? As? Has he raised that much previously with AQ or AK? You can almost ignore the action by E (he could have just about anything) but B is a problem. I’d just call E’s bet because as tight as he’s been B will probably just call too. If B reraises I’d seriously consider folding the Qs, otherwise see what the action on the flop is.
I think you have two options here you can make a re raise but that makes you committed to the pot, if you make it 40 to go you have put in over 30% of your chips so you might as well just go all-in. If i had more chips i think i might re-raise, but here i think a smooth call is in order. The crazy player is unlikely to fold to your bet and the tight player has a hand as well, so why make the raise here, you may get put all-in and then you have no real move left, you can’t bluff the flop, or play any position you may have, you must have the best hand then, and it must hold up. And even loose players pick up a hand every now and then as well, so don’t just right away say he has junk, because thats the great thing about losse players, they know you are more likely to play a big pot with them, since they know you read them as loose, so when they pick up kings in the hole it looks like another steal play, this is how loose players make there money. So just flat call and see a flop here, if it comes out bad on you, just fold your cards and move on. And since you only would have 16 dollars in the pot you can fold. In a tourney i would be happy to just push in pre-flop, but in a cash game i feel the call is the right play to make here.
I wouldn’t reraise, I’d just call.
At this point, you have position on both players, so use it. If an A or K flops, well, sometimes QQ loses, fold it and move on with a (comparitively) small loss.
If not, you’ll be in a great position to make real money post-flop.
{If B reraises you pre-flop, assume you’re beat and make the laydown; given his style, he’s not going to game both of you pre-flop.)
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Ok, the flop is AAx or KKx? If B pot-bets into it and E folds (I assume that’s what you meant, right?) I would be convinced he’s holding a good pocket pair. My only fear at that point would be him having KK (to the board’s AA) or vice versa. Scary possibilities, and very difficult to guess at given that I DIDN’T play against B for an hour, but I think I’d go over the top at this point, and if fate put AA, KK, and QQ on the board at the same time, I guess I’d count it as a lesson learned.
Unless this was an online game, in which case I’d ASSUME the AA, KK, and QQ were all on the board. They usually are.